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This week on the Newscast, we\u2019re joined by Dilafruz Khonikboyeva, the founder of the Home Planet Fund,<\/span><\/a> an independent, Indigenous-led nonprofit that provides funding for local and Indigenous communities and conservation projects around the world.<\/p>\n Khonikboyeva, who is also the organization\u2019s executive director, speaks about the ethos of the Home Planet Fund and how it works. But I must emphasize that in my conversation with Khonikboyeva, what stands out most to me isn\u2019t just the fund\u2019s focus on Indigenous-led conversation and investing in local knowledge. It\u2019s the well of experience Khonikboyeva brings to it that, growing up in Tajikistan under Soviet occupation and having firsthand experience of a community making do under extremely difficult circumstances, I believe, is rare among philanthropic efforts.<\/p>\n In a sector that runs on reports, restrictions, and guarantees, Khonikboyeva encourages funders to work differently, which often might come in an answer they don\u2019t want to hear.<\/p>\n \u201cIf you\u2019re getting a satisfying answer in this space, something isn\u2019t right,\u201d she says.<\/p>\n She explains: \u201cI think sometimes people wanna hear, \u2018Yes, we\u2019ll take your money. Yes, we\u2019ll do what you want in the timeline that you want. Yes, everything is possible.\u201d And it\u2019s just not true, right? That is actually not how life works, and anybody who tells you otherwise is certainly selling you something.\u201d<\/p>\n She points to the nuance and the truth of projects that run into disasters on the ground, shifting needs, and, of course, making sure people are taken care of and provided for amid environmental impacts and political shifts. This doesn\u2019t mean due diligence and risk assessments aren\u2019t in place, but it does require unrestricted trust-based philanthropy. Khonikboyeva demystifies unrestricted funding.<\/p>\n \u201cOne of the false narratives that people have around unrestricted giving: \u2018It\u2019s like you just hand someone a check, and they disappear, and you disappear.\u2019 That\u2019s not the case. It just means that you sit in enough trust that [they can] come back to you and say, \u2018Hey, the three-month metric is not gonna hit this because of this, but we wanna adapt to this,\u2019\u201d she says. Instead of \u201cWell, if it doesn\u2019t fit the Excel, it\u2019s all over, and we\u2019ve done a terrible job.\u201d<\/p>\n The Home Planet Fund chooses to focus on four distinct ecologies that \u201cresearchers have pinpointed around the world [as] critical from a climate and biodiversity angle,\u201d Khonikboyeva says.<\/p>\n These are the Tongass Rainforest of Alaska; the glaciers around Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India \u2014 sometimes referred to as \u201cthe third pole\u201d; the grasslands of East Africa; and the South Pacific. Through trusted networks, Khoniboyeva and her team identify and build relationships with local communities in these areas who are already engaged in conservation efforts and provide them with funding.<\/p>\n \u201cMaking sure we have elders, making sure we have whole communities, making sure we have women\u2019s groups, making sure we have youth groups involved and co-building with them is really, really important,\u201d she says.<\/p>\n \u201cWe wanna go deep. We want it to be durable. We want it to be sustainable long after we\u2019ve stopped funding,\u201d Khonikboyeva says.<\/p>\n But I would be remiss not to highlight one of the more poignant philosophies behind Khonikboyeva\u2019s work, which she describes to me as healing trauma.<\/p>\n \u201cPain has a transformational aspect, but you have to lean into it,\u201d she says.<\/p>\n \u201cWhat I find in myself, because of the community I come from and in a lot of the communities we work, is trauma and pain is held the same way all of your other emotions and feelings are held, right?<\/p>\n \u201cAnd so one of the things I talk about a lot is we\u2019re not just here to heal the planet \u2026 we\u2019re here to understand what works \u2014 what works in every single village, every single ecology. Let the local people do that. Let them continue to learn and grow. But in healing that land, there is something in people that we can also heal. So can we invest in the healing of ourselves?\u201d<\/p>\n Mike DiGirolamo <\/i><\/b>is the host & producer for the Mongabay Newscast based in Sydney. Find him on <\/i>LinkedIn<\/i><\/span><\/a> and <\/i>Bluesky<\/i><\/span><\/a>.<\/i> Banner image: <\/i><\/b>Faye Saemala, whose family has lived in the village of Lilisiana, in the Solomon Islands, for generations. Image courtesy of Jason Gagame.<\/i><\/p>\n Notice: Transcripts are machine and human generated and lightly edited for accuracy. They may contain errors.<\/small><\/i><\/p>\n \u201cThe Hardest of Humanity That I\u2019ve Seen\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> The hardest of humanity that I\u2019ve seen, like the hardest issues around not having food, not having access, being worried that they were gonna be bombed or killed any day, I actually in those hardest contexts saw the most beautiful parts of community come out, because it really pushes aside the fallacies of wanting to be monetized for doing this for others. The human condition is such, for the most part, that we do things because we\u2019re grateful for each other, because we believe in the future, because we believe in the now. And if one little ounce of us trying will make somebody else\u2019s life easier, I fundamentally believe, again, for the most part, that when push comes to shove, people try the best they can.<\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> Welcome to the Mongabay Newscast. I\u2019m your host, Mike DiGirolamo, bringing you weekly conversations with experts, authors, scientists, and activists working on the front lines of conservation, shining a light on some of the most pressing issues facing our planet and holding people in power to account. This podcast is edited on Gadigal Land. Today on the Newscast, we speak with Dilafruz Khonikboyeva, the founding executive director of the Home Planet Fund, an Indigenous and women-led nonprofit organization that provides funding to Indigenous peoples and local communities around the world working on conservation. I speak with Khonikboyeva about how the organization selects projects and communities to work with, which she describes as being in four distinct ecologies. She explains that these locations are selected for their potential to protect some of the most ecologically significant parts of our planet. She says these projects are also human-centered, investing in specific local and Indigenous knowledge, and in some areas that have experienced ongoing or historical conflict and resource scarcity. Khonikboyeva is from the Pamir Mountains of Tajikistan. She grew up there under the Soviet Union, and she tells a story about how her upbringing and her community and the work ethic of her mother and father performing essential tasks for their community without pay informs the work that she does today. In researching this episode, I was very struck by Khonikboyeva\u2019s ethos and philosophy in philanthropic funding, which is arguably a space that traditionally functions on guarantees, promises, and tight deadlines. But in this episode, Khonikboyeva explains that if you\u2019re getting a satisfying answer in this space, something isn\u2019t right, pointing to the realities of shifting needs and priorities and uncontrollable factors that affect people in the regions where she works. She demystifies the concept of unrestricted funding, which is necessary for the work she supports, describing exactly how this works in a real-world application where local community needs are considered and built into the funding relationship. Flexibility is the default, and trust is the currency. But I think of any piece of this philanthropic puzzle, the most striking is the notion that we don\u2019t fight for a better world because we\u2019re afraid of a collapsing one, but because we should want something better for ourselves. And I think she describes it best when she says, \u201cIn healing that land, there is something in people that we can also heal.\u201d So can we invest in the healing of ourselves?<\/p>\n Hi, Dilafruz. Welcome to the Mongabay Newscast. It\u2019s a pleasure to have you with us.<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Thank you, Mike. I\u2019m thrilled to be here. I\u2019m a big Mongabay fan, so I\u2019m stoked.<\/p>\n Dilafruz Khonikboyeva Explains the Home Planet Fund<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> Well, glad to hear it. I have a lot of questions about Home Planet Fund, but first, can you explain in a nutshell what is the Home Planet Fund exactly, and the kind of work that it supports?<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Yeah, the Home Planet Fund, depending on where in the world you live, it\u2019s either a nonprofit, it\u2019s a public charity, it\u2019s an Indigenous collective, et cetera. But basically we\u2019re, we\u2019ve\u2013 we\u2019re in our fifth year now, actually, as of this month. The Home Planet Fund is something that I started. I, the board, the staff, are either of Indigenous community or, or local communities. The idea really was is there are parts of the\u2026 I, I guess maybe to kind of explain what makes us different, right? And why, why another charity when there are so many is in my work, and I think in others\u2019 work, we saw that there was organizations that existed that were headquartered in Western countries, so the US or the EU or other places, and they were raising a lot of money and bringing a lot of attention, but only to like one or two places around the world, right? So like for example, in Amazon, in, in South America, and then they would get donations, and by the time it got to the local communities, right, the, the headquarters office was taking some money. The, the regional office was taking some money, and by the time it got to the communities, frequently it was cents on the dollar, one. But two, there were so many decisions that had already been taken at other levels about exactly what the work would look like, how it would get done, where it would get done, what is the timeline. And so there was an imposition on local people of what they needed to do, but no one had really asked them and no one gave them flexibility. So Home Planet Fund really exists to counter three of these things, right, that, that cause these issues. One is we\u2019re really keen on places that the UNFCCC, so, um, the researcher science, uh, science nature biodiversity researchers have pinpointed to around the world that says these are critical from a climate and biodiversity angle. So that, that\u2019s public data. We want to get funding into these places, not just places where it\u2019s easy, but places maybe that feel exotic, that feel difficult, that feel rural, that feel, uh, inaccessible. We think it\u2019s important that we don\u2019t just focus on one thing in the climate crisis. We really focus on a plethora of things because it\u2019s a monolith, monothe- like it was a\u2026it\u2019s a single-minded way that got us into the climate crisis. We need to have kind of a plethora of different approaches to get us out. So we work in places, for example, called the Third Pole, like where I\u2019m from. This is the highest mountains of the world that people will remember, like the Himalayas, the Hindu Kush, or the Pamirs, where I\u2019m from. On these mountains sit the largest glaciers outside of the two poles. They control global weather patterns. They are the reason we have the monsoons that are critical in life-giving and food-giving in South and Southeast Asia, and they also have an incredible amount of biodiversity, right? Not only in plants, but actually in animals like the snow leopard and many other animals. So that\u2019s one. We\u2019re really interested in working where the science says we need to work and, and, and a diversity of that, so we work in four ecologies Two is we fund directly into whatever community system exists. So in some of our contexts, that is tribal structures, right? The tribes are quite strong. They manage money, they manage resources. We fund into that. In other contexts, like the South Pacific, their Polynesian groups tend to be matrilineal. So we fund into women\u2019s collectives because that is where power decision-making already sit. So that just makes sure that everything that we do goes to the field directly. And three, we\u2019re really interested in trust-based philanthropy. So instead of dictating what the next three or five years will look like, we understand that things happen. Certainly, natural disasters are increasing because of the climate crisis, but also political changes are happening, regional changes are happening, community changes are happening. So we really work with the community to say, \u201cHere\u2019s our overall vision together,\u201d right? Like between the community and us and everybody. Here are some metrics of success, right? Whether that\u2019s related to forests, that\u2019s related to oceans, that\u2019s relation to coral restoration, whatever is specific to that ecology, we come up with, with impact that we wanna get to, and then how do we work backwards? But if, for example, there\u2019s an earthquake or there\u2019s a landslide, the community has the full authority to shift their focus, shift resources, so that they can deal with the things at hand, so that they can continue the work long term. So maybe I\u2019ll stop there, but I think that that to me was the gap that I saw and many other people voiced to us in our research and why Home Planet Fund exists, but also why it exists in a very particular way.<\/p>\n Growing Up in Tajikistan<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> I know you\u2019ve talked about this before, but I think it\u2019s worth covering because it\u2019s clear that it informs the work that you do. So you grew up in Tajikistan, which at the time was the USSR until the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. And, and you, you have spoken about the most significant things living in your community gave you in your life and the lessons your, your parents taught you. I was wondering if you could recount what those significant experiences were and how it has informed your life and your work.<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Yeah. So I did grow up in Tajikistan, what was then the Soviet Union. About 80% of Tajikistan is mountainous. and those mountains are called the Pamir Mountains. And so I and my community call ourselves Pamiri, Pamiri, named for our mountains. There are Pamiri people actually in Afghanistan, in Pakistan and China because the Pamir Mountains extend. But of course, artificial borders were created by nations, and so we\u2019ve been split up in the last, I\u2019d say, 120 to 40 years. I think what\u2019s interesting about that experience is even though there were Russian scientists coming in and out, or even though maybe there were Tajiks coming in and out of, of our region, for the most part, we were living on our ancestral land, speaking our languages, living our cultures. Like the Soviet Union did make massive changes in the world, but I would say that because we were so\u2013 we were at, at the edge of the empire, frankly, they just didn\u2019t have the authority, the time, the effort, the resources Or maybe the interest to change us fully the way, for example, um, Russia proper was changed, and some of the Indigenous communities that live in East Russia really had their, their culture, their language, their way of life fully eradicated. That didn\u2019t happen to us. So I grew up in a fully intact Pomir\u012b culture. Like, my first language still is Pomir\u012b, right? One of the Pomir\u012bn languages is called Khughnani. <\/span>I grew up with my grandparents and my great-grandparents, which is such a privilege. I grew up on the land, which means knowing everything from grafting fruit trees to when is the right time to plant and how do you co-plant. Certainly, our spirituality, we had to be quieter \u2019cause it was the Soviet Union. But again, I think we have the privilege of really being so isolated and by ourselves that I grew up in a spiritual practice. And so to me, having then moved to the West, specifically to the United States of America and doing my education here, I had such a strong upbringing in what it looked like to me as myself, not be separate from my family or my ancestors or other people, and then us as people not being separate from the land. Like, if the land is healthy, we can be healthy. If the land gives us something, there\u2019s a reciprocity there. We have to take care of the land, right? If we notice issues with the water, that means that something is wrong, and we have a responsibility to caretake. And so that really informs my worldview even now, right? Because it\u2019s quite different to the, the predominant worldview that we hold on Earth, and it\u2019s certainly very different to a very extractive mentality around we are owed resources from, from the Earth. We are owed certain things, and we\u2019ll keep taking it until we no longer can<\/p>\n Community Works Over Monetary Incentive<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> You told a story about the work that your, your mother and father did, and I was, I was wondering if you could, uh, recount the two lessons you learned from both of them that also inform your work.<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> My mom was the first radio anchor and then television anchor of Television Badakhshan, which is Badakhshan is another name for Pamir that we, we call it historically. And once the Soviet Union fell and the civil war came to Tajikistan from nineteen ninety-one to nineteen ninety-seven, she was giving all of these updates on what was happening. And my dad is an engineer by training, and they had been working on an electric power station, right? Because as you can imagine, this is area of the world that has snow for half of the year, despite climate change and everything else. And so they really were\u2013 no one was paying them, but in order to take care of the land and to take care of people and make sure that it was not extractive and, and that people were going to stay alive, they kept working on this power plant without being paid. They would walk there in the snow, they would work on it and come back. And I think it was just, it was really powerful to see that. And they were both so dedicated, and they continued to be dedicated to the idea of our culture and keeping our traditional ways of life. And so part of the civil war was that Pamir wanted to be independent. And my dad worked on that, that front and thinking about what does a constitution, what does a democratic constitution look like for a Pamir that is separate, that is independent, that is taking care of its resources from people to water to earth to, to animals and plants. And once they did that, my mom actually declared Pamir as an independent entity on the news. I don\u2019t know if this is the story you\u2019re talking about or if it was related to anything-<\/p>\n Mike: <\/b><\/span>This is exactly the story<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span>\u2026 in particular. Okay. Yeah.<\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> This is\u2013 And the reason why, the reason why it stuck out to me is because it, it sort of dispels the notion that there must be monetary incentives for people to do the necessary things for our ways of living. It\u2019s a common argument I hear, and I\u2019d never bought it, and there\u2019s real-world proof of that. And the fact that your parents continued providing critical services amidst the most difficult of circumstances because simply it needed to be done, I think is a testament to that.<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Yeah. The other thing I like to, I think in relation to my mom working at, at the news station is there\u2019s this thing called Koloboyka Novy Rok, which is like a leftover Soviet relic where you celebrate New Year\u2019s. And she called everyone and she said, \u201cWho has beautiful glasses? Who has beautiful flowers?\u201d And they basically crowdsourced. This is what community mean. They crowdsourced this beautiful setting, and if\u2013 in the video you can still see on YouTube now, but if you look at the video, you see these people who are immaculately dressed, and there\u2019s like crystal on the table, and there\u2019s food everywhere. But it\u2019s because everybody called relatives and community and said, \u201cWho has, like, clothes that are not threadbare or won\u2019t look threadbare? Like, can I borrow this? Can I borrow that? Who has enough flour to make these many loaves of bread so we can put it on the table?\u201d And it seems very showy, and some people might say, \u201cOh, that\u2013 what\u2019s the point?\u201d But actually, when that was televised back to the community, it gave them hope to say like, \u201cOh, this is continuing.\u201d And then for the people who knew the story, they felt like they were part of something, right? Like, I see my, my earrings up there, or actually th- those were the three carats that my family had, and we contributed. And so I think to your point, so many people do things without monetary incentive. It is why we have so much of the beautiful art and music and just really cultural progress across the world. But two, I think it\u2019s also a fundamental misunderstanding of how humans and our communities work is, for me, having lived through that, but also having continued to work in civil war contexts, and that\u2019s, that\u2019s actually my academic background, is the, the hardest of humanity that I\u2019ve seen, like the hardest issues around not having food, not having access, being worried that they were gonna be bombed or killed any day. I actually, in those hardest contexts, saw the most beautiful parts of community come out because it really pushes aside the fallacies of we need to be monetized. We\u2019re doing this for others. The human condition is such, for the most part, that we do things because we\u2019re grateful for each other, because we believe in the future, because we believe in the now. And if one little ounce of us trying will make somebody else\u2019s life easier, I fundamentally believe, again, for the most part, that when push comes to shove, people try the best they can.<\/p>\n How the Fund Built Relationships<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> I want to switch gears just for a little bit to talk about the fund itself, and you state that you weren\u2019t publicly visible for a while. Why?<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Yeah. Again, I think it\u2019s important just to understand that there are so many public charities. There are so many nonprofits. There are so many things, and I don\u2019t doubt that they do good. But to me We had these things that our research and communities and donors and everyone was telling us, and they were aligning to these three thoughts, right? Is fund where others aren\u2019t funding, support communities where others aren\u2019t supporting, support directly into community structures, right? Engage in trust and long-term thinking. But I think it\u2019s really important that you don\u2019t just tell people, you show people. So for us, it was about now reaching out to those communities through our trusted networks, through our board, through other people, through our own kind of activism networks and say, \u201cAre you interested in engaging with us?\u201d Right? Because, like, we wanted to be invited into community. We wanna be invited into the land. We wanted to take our time to understand the community dynamics, the land, the people, what their visions are. So a lot of it is just building and building those relationships, building the vision for two years, five years, 10 years. And then I think sometimes when people hear trust-based or they think community or they think Indigenous, they think it\u2019s a kind of a nice fluffy thing that happens off on the periphery of actual hard-nosed impact. But the reality is you can do both of those things. You just have to do it carefully and thoughtfully. And so for us, we didn\u2019t come in and say, \u201cHi, here\u2019s a list of metrics and a timeline. Do this.\u201d It was very much understanding the realities of those communities and then the lands and waters through them and then co-building something. And sometimes it actually went much faster than we thought because they were ready, because they were already doing the vast majority of the work. That\u2019s the thing is we didn\u2019t enter a single ecology where people weren\u2019t already doing the work. They left the land. They\u2019re of the land. And so it was about helping them scale, helping them resource, and helping them get the tools, the academic research, whatever else they needed to do it well. So for us, again, it was like a\u2026 It was all the scientific research that we wanted to do well, so we took our time with it, meeting all those researchers. Two, it was about sitting in community, making sure we were invited, making sure we were co-building something with them. And then three, it was making sure we had baseline and at least a year or two of data. So by 2024, which was two years ago when we went public, I felt that Home Planet Fund was something I could defend, not because it was something I had created or thought up, but because we had impact data, we had good relationships, and we had a model that we thought others might be interested in and might want to emulate or be a part of<\/p>\n Identifying the Four Ecologies<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> I wanna get into a little bit more about how you go about identifying a community or project to give to. Now you\u2019ve sort of\u2013 you\u2019ve given a high level overview of that, but please feel free to go into detail about how that process works.<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Yeah. So when we first started Home Planet Fund, like I said, it was looking at UNFCCC data, right? And so in that, there are many, many hotspots actually. You\u2019d be surprised when you think about both climate and our biodiversity in that. Then we overlaid where was funding already going. So that is multilateral funding like UN bilaterals, like the Australian government, the, the US government, which they no longer do, but they did back then. And then also what philanthropy data was public about where their funding was going. So we were interested in the parts that weren\u2019t being funded but were critical. And so that got us into the four ecologies that we work in now. So one is the Tongass Rainforest in Alaska. That is the largest temperate rainforest, really critical for not only the old growth forests, but actually the bay that\u2019s right off of it. Two, of course, the third pole that I just mentioned where I\u2019m from and the glaciers. That starts in the Kyrgyz Republic, goes down into Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, and then of course, the, the tragedy that we all saw last month in Nepal. It\u2019s all essentially one- Mm-hmm \u2026 ecological system, right? The third is the grasslands of East Africa. So that\u2019s Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda. These grasslands are critical from carbon sequestration, but of course actually large game migrations, very, very critical. And then last but not least is the Pacific, right? Not only from an oceans and deep oceans and, and coral reef perspective, but actually the land is really critical, especially when you think about places like Papua New Guinea, where you have some of the most intact old growth forests. And so that\u2019s where we started, right? And then as I mentioned, the next portion is working through our networks of Indigenous folks, of communities to say, \u201cWho\u2019s already doing this work? Which community members, which community leaders, which villages are doing this work? How is it working?\u201d So just understanding, being invited into the fold, then slowly building out the relationships to bring in others, right? So making sure we have elders, making sure we have whole communities, making sure we have women\u2019s groups, making sure we have youth groups involved. And co-building with them is really, really important like We, we are not in the game of trying to bring in an intervention or trying to teach people how to do things. We wanna support people who already have been doing it, and again, helping them scale and fine-tune the impact and, and get resourcing. So I think that that is really, really important. Uh, that\u2019s how we do it. Once we spend time with communities, right, it\u2019s about understanding not only organizations that the communities themselves trust and would like to be recipients of money, \u2019cause that\u2019s also the very pragmatic part of Home Planet Fund and why we exist as a US-based 501[c][3], a public charity, is because we wanted to de-risk it for individuals or donors or organizations who wanted to support these communities but didn\u2019t know how to get money into, for example, a Samburu village in northern Kenya or, like, where I\u2019m from- Khorog in Tajikistan. We wanted to de-risk it, make it easy, be very transparent, et cetera. So finding organizations that the community trusts that we can use for reporting, for due diligence, right, for risk assessments, for getting financial audits in place, et cetera, and then really thinking about financial systems, governance, implementation risks. What are the impact metrics over a quarter or over a year or several years? And then you do your due diligence, right? You\u2013 After you talk to these communities, and then you then start asking governments or neighboring communities or others who are\u2013 well, may have worked in this community, say, \u201cWhat worked? What didn\u2019t? What are learnings like?\u201d Just making sure you\u2019re, you\u2019re trusting but also verifying. And I think what\u2019s most important is, like, we learn as we go, and every context is so very different that we find we\u2019re constantly learning, and we\u2019re constantly adapting, and we hope we\u2019re becoming better partners to these communities. But we also hope through our storytelling that we\u2019re being really honest about the challenges and also the successes that we face so others can learn along with us. We, we don\u2019t want to be a black box. We would love if more people also chose to fund alongside us in these communities or also thought community-based work is really important.<\/p>\n Support Mongabay on Patreon<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> Hello, listeners, and thank you for tuning in. As I always like to mention, Mongabay is a nonprofit news organization. We rely on the funding from listeners like you. So if you\u2019d like to support this podcast, I encourage you to go to patreon.com\/mongabay. There, you can pledge to become a monthly sponsor of the show. Now, I must emphasize even a dollar a month or five dollars a month makes a very big difference to us. So if you\u2019d like to support us, go to patreon.com\/mongabay. If you\u2019d like to learn more about the Home Planet Fund, you can find links in the show notes.<\/p>\n \u2018We Don\u2019t Accept Grant Proposals\u2019<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> I\u2019ve heard you say that it\u2019s important that the Home Planet Fund doesn\u2019t accept grant proposals, and I think this is interesting. Why is that?<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> That\u2019s right. I think, I think that there has been There has been a push to say that true transparency and equity is when you have an open call for proposals, right? And anybody and everybody can apply. But the reality is coming from certainly the community that I\u2019m from, but actually coming from my own work in communities and in activism and, and in war zones, the reality is, is it\u2019s assuming a level of knowledge, of philanthropy, of English, of report writing, even of knowledge of open grant processes or philanthropy that just isn\u2019t there, right? And so I think that when those open calls happen, it is true that they are transparent because\u2026 and that they are in a way more open because everybody can apply. But actually, those\u2013 that everybody in the global sense is a very, very small privileged few who again know about philanthropy, have access to it, have access to English, have access to internet, have access to knowing how and when and what ways to write something that is pleasing to a philanthropic eye, right? So for us, we don\u2019t\u2013 we\u2019re not interested in working at that level. We\u2019re really interested in working with people who, for the most part, don\u2019t speak English, but they\u2019re really busy doing the actual work in their communities, right? They\u2019re not based in capital cities. They\u2019re not based in Western countries. They, they are doing the work in their communities. And so by taking the pressure of putting everything you know, everything you dream of, everything you hope to accomplish for yourself, your community, your land and water into like a two-page document, we\u2019re able to sit with you, we\u2019re able to understand the context, we\u2019re able to co-build. And I think it provides opportunities through a longer timeline to understand each other, as opposed to one high-pressure touch point that may or may not really capture the essence. And so for us, this is the way we\u2019ve moved forward. We recognize that this means we aren\u2019t gonna work with everyone. But to be honest, Home Planet Fund was never meant to work with everybody, right? We\u2019ve been very careful about the locations we wanna work, why we wanna work in them, who we\u2019re trying to work with. And even as we look to the future and what success looks for us or what expansion looks for us, it\u2019s not in the traditional sense of expansion where we now work in four ecologies, but if we\u2019re able to fundraise what we hope to fundraise, we\u2019re gonna expand into twenty ecologies. That\u2019s, that, that\u2019s counter to our, our whole reason for existence. We wanna do good work. We wanna do it well. And even if it\u2019s in four ecologies, I think we\u2019re at somewhere around twenty something countries, then that\u2019s what we wanna do. We wanna go deep. We want it to be durable. We want it to be sustainable long after we\u2019ve stopped funding<\/p>\n Women\u2019s Collectives in the South Pacific<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> Now there\u2019s a region of the world in which you work which I think doesn\u2019t get a, a ton of coverage really, in my opinion, and that\u2019s the South Pacific. And you s- you specifically fund women\u2019s collectives in the South Pacific. Can you talk about these projects and what that looks like?<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Absolutely. And I actually really agree with you. I think that vaguely people will gesture to the oceans and be like, \u201cOceans are important.\u201d But when you look at that data, the numbers, people really are not supporting this in any meaningful way, right? Certainly external activism or external resources, but the Pacific collectives that exist are doing an incredible job of their activism, of pushing, of getting the Pacific on, on global radar as they should, right? Because not only is it critical as we think about deep ocean work and coral restoration, and of course the old growth forests from a mitigation perspective, but actually the South Pacific has been for many decades already in the adaptation world, right? We\u2019re seeing a lot of them face the consequences of the heating ocean, of the increased hurricanes, and, and it\u2019s having a massive toll on them. So yes, for us, because the Pacific for the most part is Polynesian societies, Polynesian societies are matrilineal, so it felt very natural to work with women\u2019s collectives, right, as holders of power, as holders of knowledge, and also because these are highly active societies anyway. They have been for quite a long time, not only on the international stage, but most importantly at home on their various islands. And so we started there for those very reasons. Another part of this that I think is really important is there\u2019s a intergenerational knowledge transfer, right? And this isn\u2019t just for as a nice to have, it is actually critical to the culture, and it is critical to very practical things like planting food garden, understanding how to read the water, right, about mangroves, about coral restoration, and even things like disaster response and community planning. So we, we actually are launching right now our annual report for the last year, and this goes into a lot of partnership about how we\u2019ve been supporting this. One part of it we\u2019re really proud of is there was this cohort of young women who went through this intergenerational knowledge transfer, who went through a lot of trainings, and they were given funding to do nature-based solutions on their independent islands, so there were three hundred and twenty-five young women across the Pacific. And it\u2019s just been incredible to see the knowledge that they take into their own communities, but actually the responses, like how they took decisions. Some of them took decisions about food gardens, and that helped, one, diversify healthy food on the island. One of the biggest issues in, in, in the Pacific is health issues around unhealthy food and actually the cost of shipping in food. And so to create food sovereignty and to create food health, that was really beautiful. As I mentioned, there were others who were doing coral restoration. There were others who were doing community planning. I think one really beautiful story that, that I, I get emotional honestly when I think about, is in Vanuatu. They\u2019re one of the many islands that we\u2019ve been working with, and in December twenty twenty-four there was an earthquake- And what was amazing is our local partner has an early warning network that they were able to activate. And because we sit in trust with them, because they have existing community networks, but because our funding is trust-based and flexible, they were able to immediately create an, an emergency structure, rely on the early warning networks. They didn\u2019t have to get in contact with us, right? They were just able to do the work, and they would update us as they went. But just the idea that you can go from doing something very long-term planning, right, of like a food garden or a mangrove restoration versus being able to shift to meet the people\u2019s needs and the land\u2019s needs immediately, I\u2019m incredibly proud of, and I think it\u2019s a great example of why you have to be flexible in your giving if you truly care about the longevity of the land.<\/p>\n The Case for Unrestricted Funding<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> This is a critical point because when people are giving charitably, I, I feel like sometimes there\u2019s this desire to control how the money is used. And, and I think it\u2019s important for people to understand the necessity of unrestricted funding, which i-it sounds like that\u2019s what you do. Can you explain, can you explain why that\u2019s so critical for the work that you do?<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Yeah. I think that as, as that example from Vanuatu comes in, is communities are working in changing conditions. So you may have a one-year plan, a five-year plan, a 10-year plan, right? A lot of Indigenous communities like mine don\u2019t really think in short timelines like that. They really are thinking like seven generations, 100 years, right? Like the, the timelines are different, one. But within your scope of work, within kind of what you wanna work on, droughts happen, floods happen, governments change, conflict happens, right? And so- An earthquake is not gonna wait until a donor approves a revised budget. So I understand the impulse to give restricted funding and to say, \u201cI\u2019m really worried about people misusing my money,\u201d or, \u201cI\u2019m really worried about being made a fool of,\u201d right? \u2018Cause I think that\u2019s the underlying emotion, is I don\u2019t wanna be made a fool of. I don\u2019t wanna be taken advantage of, right? And so the response then is for us to sit in our fear and say, \u201cOkay, if I tighten the reins, if I have a lot of control, if I ask for a lot of reporting, if I make sure that I get three reports for every cent that they spend, it\u2019s gonna make me feel better.\u201d But that\u2019s actually not how fear works, right? And so for us, it\u2019s the opposite. We spend a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of resources investing in communities initially to build that trust so that if there is a problem, right, natural disaster or just something isn\u2019t working, we can sit in honesty to say, \u201cYou know what? The budget isn\u2019t working right now,\u201d or, \u201cYou know what? Actually, we didn\u2019t have the crop yield we thought we were gonna have this year. We don\u2019t know what\u2019s going on,\u201d right? \u201cCan we work together?\u201d And I think what it allows, it allows that shift from saying we\u2019re adversaries and we don\u2019t really trust each other, and so we have to kind of have a lot of documentation and paperwork to say we\u2019re on the same side. We want the same thing. How do we work together on that? And so that\u2019s really the thought process behind unrestricted funding. It\u2019s not to say that there aren\u2019t reporting. It\u2019s not to say that there aren\u2019t very clear impact measurements that we co-agree on, right? I think that\u2019s, that, to me, is one of the false narratives that people have around unrestricted giving. It\u2019s like you just hand someone a check, and you, they disappear, and you disappear. That\u2019s not the case. It just means that you sit in enough trust that if they come back to you and say, \u201cHey, the three-month metric is not gonna hit this because of this, but we wanna adapt to this,\u201d it just allows for real-world flexibility and allows people to plan for themselves as a holistic community, as an holistic ecosystem, instead of really trying to ignore the realities of unexpected changes in life and try to say, \u201cWell, if it doesn\u2019t fit the Excel, it\u2019s all over, and we\u2019ve, we\u2019ve-done a terrible job.\u201d<\/p>\n Towards a Collaborative Fund<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> Now, on the flip side of this, you say your vision is to build a collaborative fund which would allow multiple funders to contribute but while giving them the flexibility to use the resources in the way they believe will make the most impact. So what does that mean exactly? What does that entail?<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Yeah. I\u2019ll let you know how it goes, Mike. But yes, this is what we\u2019re trying to build. Mm-hmm. So the idea here is that a lot of donors right now will give you money for a project, right? So they\u2019re interested in a two-year project that works exclusively with female farmers in Afghanistan on planting apricot trees, right? And they want- they don\u2019t really care about anything else that touches that, right? And for us, that\u2019s a really big challenge because we really care about that woman\u2019s human health. We care about her economic health. We care about her nutrition. We care about her family. We care about her community. We care that you probably shouldn\u2019t just plant apricot trees. You should co-plant. We care about is the apricot appropriate in every single one of these villages, right? Like, how do we think about what\u2019s best for everything? And so for us, we\u2019re interested in partnering with people, with donors specifically, who are also interested in a holistic approach to the land and her people, right? And so can you come in, can we all dedicate ourselves to learning, to growing, both from the scientific perspective and increasing the body of work around these communities and these ecologies that there\u2019s really not a lot of accessible academic research, right? But can you also commit to handing over power, right? You come into the network to hold Planet Fund, and again, there\u2019s some basics that are true. We work in four ecologies. We\u2019re really interested in these impact measurements. Here\u2019s the, the metrics for success in terms of tree planting or economic livelihoods or whatever you have it in each of the ecologies. But within that framework and agreeing to that, right, with both other donors who come in, but also the communities, is allowing the communities then to lead and come back to us with successes, with challenges, with innovative ideas. We already have had this happen in\u2026 as donors have come in, is our initial anchor funding came from Patagonia, from Yvon Chouinard and his family who started Patagonia. And we\u2019ve had other donors come in and who are sitting in a place of curiosity and who do wanna share power. But I think we\u2019ve also had some donors come in and they, they want to take that traditional approach and dictate, and it\u2019s really difficult because we have to We have to decide, do we take money? Because a lot of these communities really are struggling. They\u2019re doing this work because it\u2019s part of how they view themselves in the land, but frequently they are struggling for very simple resources. Do we take this and then impose restrictions that the community may or may not even be able to meet? Or do we turn it down because we know realistically that this is going to cause maybe more headache, more harm for the communities? And I think that\u2019s a really big part of something I struggle with daily is, is how important is it to get money into the communities no matter what. When\u2013 And part of that is just going back to the communities and being honest with them and saying, \u201cLook, this donor wants to do this. Is this feasible for you? Does this make sense? Is this gonna cause harm? Is this, is this actually something that you\u2019re interested in?\u201d So that\u2019s, that\u2019s another dynamic quite at play every day.<\/p>\n \u201cIf You\u2019re Getting a Satisfying Answer, Something Isn\u2019t Right\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> Yeah, that sounds like it would be difficult to, uh, to manage. You have said before, and it\u2013 and I\u2019m slightly paraphrasing you here, you\u2019ve said, \u201cIf you\u2019re getting a satisfying answer in this space, something isn\u2019t right.\u201d And I have to say, I really like this phrase. Can you elaborate on that?<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Yeah. I mean, I think this probably feels uncomfortable for most people, so I\u2019m glad you like it. I think this is also the Central Asian in me, is we\u2019re very frank, right? And, and I think sometimes people wanna hear, \u201cYes, we\u2019ll take your money. Yes, we\u2019ll do what you want in the timeline that you want. Yes, everything is possible.\u201d And it\u2019s just not true, right? It\u2019s, it\u2019s\u2026 That is actually not how life works, and anybody who tells you otherwise is certainly selling you something, not just in this world, but like, or in this, in this space, but in others. But two, especially in this space, especially with the ongoing climate crisis, polycrisis, migration crisis, the, the, the lot of political fragility in much of the world is to guarantee you something. It\u2019s just not true, right? Because at some point, somebody somewhere is going to have to suffer, is gonna have to shift, is gonna have to go without to make sure they meet your metrics of success despite, right? Despite the earthquake that\u2019s going on, despite the political issues, despite maybe a death in the family, despite community issues, right? Maybe despite what the community wants. And so I think that I said this not just to be edgy, but because I really believe it, is if someone guarantees you, yes, this amount by this date with this impact, it\u2019s really important to push back on that because there\u2019s an incredible amount of nuance in this work. Even with very high academic and scientific rigor is we\u2019re frequently surprised at some of the carbon yields that come out. Sometimes it\u2019s really high, sometimes it\u2019s really low. And I think the honesty and the trust is really important here, not just with the communities, but actually with donors, is to trust a donor enough to say, \u201cI know you understand nuance. I know you understand that things are complicated. I\u2019m gonna share enough with you so that you can sit in this with me and be on the side of solutions with me and the community.\u201d<\/p>\n Working in Conflict Zones<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> There\u2019s another aspect to your work that I wanted to point out, and it\u2019s that I think it\u2019s fair to say that you, you work in areas that are traditionally, traditionally underfunded, and often these can be in areas that have experienced war or conflict. And I think it\u2019s important to explain why working in these areas is important, both from a human perspective and from a, a biodiversity and ecological health perspective.<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Thank you. Yeah. I think that the, the easiest answer is from an ecological and biodiversity perspective is the data is very, very clear on what parts of the earth we need to maintain. I mean, we should maintain all of it. We should take care of all of it. But as humans, we\u2019ve decided that that is not our priority. So if we had to pick and choose, right, with limited resources, limited time, the data is very, very clear on some of these ecologies, and some of these ecologies do fall into war zone, into unstable places, into hard to reach places, right? So that\u2019s that. Two, what\u2019s really interesting is when you dig in, you find that it seems counterintuitive, but actually it\u2019s not surprising, is a lot of these places that are considered, quote-unquote, \u201cunstable\u201d, they have central governments that have changed a lot, that don\u2019t have a lot of authority outside of maybe a capital city, et cetera. So where that central government is weak, that means community infrastructures have been allowed to be strong for generations, for decades, for centuries, and in some cases for millennia, right? And so it means that these communities, while they haven\u2019t had the support economically, socially, politically of like a strong central government, the upside of that is that their community infrastructure is incredibly strong, and their autonomy over their own land, their own culture, et cetera, is incredibly strong. Where it\u2019s limited is, of course, the resources, the stability, et cetera, but these infrastructures are so strong. So I\u2019m actually not surprised anymore when you learn that some very healthy and beautiful parts of the world that we need to retain are actually in conflict zones or are actually in these, these high-risk areas. And then two, I think that I really appreciate that you included the human in this because I think for a lot of the climate movement for so long, we blamed humanity as a whole for what we\u2019re doing to the planet.<\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> And so that meant a wholesale rejection of humanity and a really what ended up being a kicking people off land because we thought land without people is how the land would survive and take care. What we now know, right? And this is why I love in, in the academic sense, it\u2019s called nature-based solutions, but we at Home Planet Fund tend to call them Indigenous or local solutions, is the research that has increased for nature-based solutions studies, it\u2019s actually the human hand, right? It\u2019s the human impact on the land that actually helps it flourish in some of these contexts. And so from, even if you don\u2019t believe in the human rights or the, the human affection for one another and for dignity and for the ability to work on your own land and have your own self-autonomy, even if you put all that aside Actually, the human touch and the human impact on land has been proven to create better biodiversity and carbon sequestration impact. So I think about that a lot, and I\u2019m really proud of the work we do in Afghanistan because one, it\u2019s not just Afghanistan, but it\u2019s actually some of the poorest parts, some of the most rural parts in Badakhshan province, in the high north in the mountains, and we work with women\u2019s farmers, right? So again, a group that has been heavily disenfranchised. And not only does it give these farmers and their families and their communities and villages access to healthy, local, organic, regenerative food, it\u2019s also healing their land. Also, by planting alongside glacial watershed, it controlling weather\u2013 like the water and preventing issues of flooding and other things, not just for themselves, but also the downs- downstream effects. It\u2019s also giving a sense of economic freedom and dignity to a group of people that I wholeheartedly believe deserve it the way every human on Earth deserves it.<\/p>\n Mindset Shifts for Philanthropists<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> Not to put you on the spot, but if you had any key asks or takeaways or maybe mindset shifts that you wish more philanthropists or anyone listening would adopt, what would those be?<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Gosh, I think it\u2019s, I think it\u2019s being uncomfortable, right? It\u2019s like if you\u2019re donating to the big giant organizations that everybody knows, that\u2019s fine, but your work could have a lot more impact if you were a little bit more uncomfortable and took a little bit more time and tried to invest in the community level, right? If you are investing in some of the bigger areas of the world that everybody knows for climate, maybe again, feeling a little bit uncomfortable and curious and expanding your scope, right? And thinking, \u201cWell, what about this part of the world? What about these communities?\u201d I think that that\u2019s, that\u2019s what I ask. And I recognize that a lot of philanthropists have day jobs, right? Have businesses that actually have nothing to do with the machinery of philanthropy, have nothing to do with the machinery of climate or biodiversity or Indigenous peoples. And so I think what I\u2019m asking is that they take a little bit more time. Maybe they hire more staff that are of the communities in which they wanna work. Maybe they\u2019re interested in funding outside of the general status quo. And I, and I\u2026 And of course, like One Planet Fund is here to receive funding, but it\u2019s not just us, right? There are amazing people who are doing amazing work, but they\u2019re busy with their head down doing the work, right? They\u2019re maybe not at the COP meetings. They\u2019re maybe not at New York Climate Week or Bangkok Climate Week. And so stepping outside of your comfort zone, being uncomfortable, being curious, that\u2019s, that would be my ask.<\/p>\n \u2018Investing in Healing Ourselves\u2019<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> There is something that you said in a previous interview which I can\u2019t stop thinking about, and it\u2019s pain has a transformational aspect, but you have to lean into it. And I suppose this might be a, a great place to close the conversation. Can you elaborate on that for our listeners and how that informs the work you do?<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Absolutely. I mean, I, I, I saw one whole monolith, you know, in terms of the Soviet Union fall apart. I saw what was relative stability fall into civil war. I saw shifting to the US where I had to learn a whole new culture and way of life and language and other things. And then just to continue that work and see some of the things that have happened in, in Syria or Ukraine or other parts of the world. We can wallow in pain, right? It is brutal, and what we know about trauma is trauma does not just stay with you as an individual. We can inherit trauma, right? It sits in our blood. It sits in our bones. The way our heart reacts, the way our blood pressure reacts, and people who have inherited trauma acts the way it would as someone who\u2019s immediately faced that trauma of civil war, of something else, right? So there is a real world in which you sit in trauma \u2019cause you\u2019ve experienced it, and then your children or your grandchildren, your whole community face it, right? There\u2019s a lot of literature around this in psychology, conflict resolution, et cetera, sociology. So I won\u2019t get into that. But I\u2019m saying that I understand that, right, personally and professionally. And what I find in myself, because of the community I come from and in a lot of the communities we work, is trauma and pain is held the same way all of your other emotions and feelings are held, right? So there is a lot of space for joy. There\u2019s a lot of space for healing. And it takes, I would say, a lot of personal courage, a lot of community courage. I\u2019m always deeply overwhelmed when I sit in communities who, when I read about them, when I engage with them, I hold so much of their pain as I hear about it, and yet I see just a lot of joy. I see a lot of laughter. I see a lot of hope for the future. I see a lot of defiance in that, and it\u2019s a beautiful artistic defiance, right? It\u2019s a defiance in healing. And so one of the things I, I talk about a lot is we\u2019re not just here to heal the planet. We\u2019re not here to just fix the\u2026 You know, uh, uh, this idea of like, \u201cWe\u2019re gonna fix it. We\u2019re gonna do it. We\u2019re gonna impose our will on it.\u201d That\u2019s not what we\u2019re here for. We\u2019re here to understand what works, what works in every single village, every single ecology. Let the local people do that. Let them continue to learn and grow. But in healing that land, there is something in people that we can also heal. So can we invest in the healing of ourselves? Because if we are able to do what we want, which is to save this beautiful planet and allow it to continue to grow and flourish, if we have populations that are traumatized, that are so fear-based, and that the only reason they save this planet is just for fear of dying or fear of the collapse, that\u2019s not good enough. Like, we should want something more for ourselves because- Good\u2013 bad things happen to good people all the time, right? I can say that, and I truly believe that. And we also have to make a choice at any moment to decide if we can build a hope together, not from a place of naivete or ignoring. Like, you have to process, you have to metabolize the trauma. But there are community ways to do that through storytelling, through ritual, through taking care of the planet. And so I know a lot of this might feel really outlandish for a very individualistic globalized society, but there are pathways to healing through the trauma and building a beautiful world, not because we fear a collapse, but because we want something better for ourselves and, and the planet<\/p>\n Closing<\/b><\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> Well, Dilafruz Khonikboyeva, it has been a pleasure speaking with you today, and I\u2019ll be sure to link information in the show notes about where people can learn more about your work and the Home Planet Fund. And thank you so much for speaking with me today.<\/p>\n Dilafruz:<\/b><\/span> Mike, thank you for having me. It\u2019s been a real pleasure.<\/p>\n Mike:<\/b><\/span> As always, if you are enjoying the Mongabay Newscast and you want to help us out, we encourage you to spread the word about the work we\u2019re doing by telling a friend and leaving a review. 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